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[00:00:00.000] – Alan Petersen
You are listening to Meet the Thriller Author, the podcast where I interview writers of mysteries, thrillers, and suspense books. I’m your host, Alan Petersen, and this is episode number 217. Today’s guest is Joshua Moehling, the USA Today bestselling author of the critically acclaimed Ben Packard Thriller Series. Joshua’s latest novel, A Long Time Gone, the third book in the series, was published on February fourth. Joshua grew up as an army brat, moving frequently throughout the United States and Germany. After attending college in South Dakota Minnesota. He settled in Minneapolis, where he writes his books.

[00:00:32.930] – Alan Petersen
Before we get to the interview, though, I have a really exciting announcement to make. Today is May 13th, and it’s the official release day of the audiobook version of my psychological thriller, The Basement. You can order your copy now at thrillingreads.com/513. That’s thrillingreads. Com/513. I have a little surprise here to celebrate the audiobook’s release. I’m going to share a special preview with you right now. It’s a little I’ll take an excerpt from a couple of the chapters. You can listen to the performance by two wonderful narrators, Vanessa Johansson and George Newbern, whose amazing performances brought the basement to life. All right, so here’s the preview. I’ll be back in a couple of minutes.

[00:01:15.680] – Vanessa Johansson
There I was, stranded in the purgatory of airport delays, surrounded by a sea of disgruntled faces, each absorbed in their private world of glowing screens and fleeting distractions. I squeezed between an indifferent youth wearing chunky wireless headphones, lost in his digital bubble, and a middle-aged woman engrossed in her e-reader. Their ignorance of my presence a small mercy in this crowded space. The last thing I wanted to do was chat with strangers. The incessant jingle of slot machines, a bizarre symphony that’s become the backdrop of my life in Las Vegas, failed to distract me from the gnawing sense that I shouldn’t be taking this trip. I ignored it, and I sat there for a a while, waiting for an update from the airline. The sounds of slot machines at the airport were still surreal, even though I’d been living in Las Vegas for almost two years. If there was one thing Las Vegas did well, it was making it easy to gamble no matter where you are. Slot machines at the airport, check. The convenience store, check. Gas station, check.

[00:02:34.130] – George Newbern
I was anxious. Cassie was returning. I was aware she wanted no contact with me just as she desired no contact with our mother before her passing. However, she was my sister. I couldn’t let her just cut me out of her life. I didn’t know how things became so strained. Well, that’s not really true. I did know, but it had been a long time since we were kids. How could you continue to harbor such resentment and animosity? What’s past is past. What’s been done could not be undone. So why bother devoting even a second thinking about the past? I glanced at the flight tracking app on my phone. The plane was finally up in the air after the delay. She’s en route, I inform my spouse, Gillian, who merely gazed at me in salt. She despised my sister her. Then I got it, she only perceived matters from my perspective.

[00:03:19.400] – Alan Petersen
All right, I hope you enjoyed that preview. Again, the Yadi Book is available now at thrillingreadings. Com/513. All right, here is my interview with Joshua Mullen. Hey, everybody. This is Alan with Meet the Thriller author. On the podcast today, I’m excited to have Joshua Mullen joining us on the show. He’s the USA Today best-selling author of the critically acclaimed Ben Packard Thriller mystery Series. The third book in that series, A Long Time Gone, was recently published on February fourth. Welcome to the podcast.

[00:03:49.760] – Joshua Moehling
Thanks for having me, Alan. I’m happy to be here.

[00:03:52.060] – Alan Petersen
Yeah, really excited to talk to you. Just to get things going here for listeners who might just be discovering your work for the first time, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and your Ben Packard mystery series?

[00:04:04.570] – Joshua Moehling
Yeah. I live in Minnesota. I’m a full-time author now, and I’ve been trying to write a novel for probably over 20 years. A lot of fits and starts along the way. But my first novel that I got published was called In There, He Kept Her. It’s set in a small town in rural Northwestern, Minnesota. The main character is Ben Packard, who is a Sheriff’s Deputy, who has returned to this small town that he knows from his childhood to take this job as a Sheriff’s Deputy. He’s been a police officer in Minneapolis prior to that. He’s also a gay man who’s in light of this decision to try to have a fresh start in a small town. He’s trying to figure out what his life looks like in this community that he’s chosen to settle in.

[00:04:54.810] – Alan Petersen
Yeah, and well, congrats him going full-time. I just wanted to share this with the audience, but I’ll listen The rest of us probably won’t care, but I think it’s an interesting connection, although we’ve never met in person. We both work for the same company.

[00:05:07.240] – Joshua Moehling
Yeah, that’s crazy. Small world.

[00:05:10.010] – Alan Petersen
When I saw it, I was like, Oh, what are the odds of that?

[00:05:13.710] – Joshua Moehling
You’re also from Minnesota, right?

[00:05:15.690] – Alan Petersen
Yeah, I’m in California now, but my wife’s from Minnesota. We lived there and went to school there and just moved out here in 2010. So we’ve only been out here for 14 years or so. That’s my world. But Anyway, I digress. So, yes, that was what I was really interested to do about your books. Ben Packard isn’t the typical small town detective. He’s pretty nuanced, deeply connected to the region. And like you said, he’s a gay deputy sheriff. Can you tell us about that? How did you develop his character and why was it important to you to make him distinct from all the other big-time cops going to small town ropes that were out there? We all love. That’s why they are so popular.

[00:06:04.280] – Joshua Moehling
I wish I always could say that I saw a hole in the market and decided to exploit it. I don’t know the market that well. It’s just the idea that came to me. I actually wrote a book before in there, he kept her, that was set in that same small town. There’s a plane crash, a local author crashes a small plane. And then the The local Sheriff’s Department is questioning this handyman who worked for the author and question his best friend. And later, those two are the main characters of the book, and they’re having a conversation between themselves about what the Sheriff’s Deputy asked them. And then part of their conversation is whether or not they think the Deputy was gay or not. And then they go back and forth and they crack some jokes at his expense. And then the story goes on from there. I got about half a dozen agents to read that book, and half a dozen of them told me it didn’t work, and I couldn’t figure out how to fix it at that point. I spent probably five years writing that book and rewriting and rewriting and rewriting, and I just couldn’t crack it.

[00:07:20.240] – Joshua Moehling
So I was trying to figure out what I was going to write next. And I was really taken with this small town setting that I’d come up with. And I was like, What about that gay Sheriff’s Deputy. I don’t even think he had a name in that book. I don’t even know why I decided that he was gay. Those two characters having a conversation about whether he was, he may or may not have been. I don’t know. But I kept thinking about what it would be like to work in law enforcement in a rural community and be an out gay person in that setting? So I started writing another book to answer that question and figure out where Where did this guy came from and what brought him there and what his life looked like? And he needed a crime to solve. So I came up with that. I had absolutely no confidence or belief that anybody, especially an agent or a publisher, would have interest in a story about a gay Sheriff St. Philippe from rural Minnesota. But that was the idea that I had, and that was the book that I wanted to write.

[00:08:23.640] – Joshua Moehling
I got very lucky in that. I did find an agent who liked it, and I did find a publisher who wanted it. So it all turned out.

[00:08:31.730] – Alan Petersen
Yeah. That’s very fascinating, too. You mentioned before, you wrote for 20 years, and some of those novels didn’t go far, didn’t get published. Can you share about that? About about that journey and how those experiences shaped you and to the writer that you are today? It’s all worked out now, but I’m sure it was bleaked there for 20 years.

[00:08:55.860] – Joshua Moehling
Yeah, it was. I I wanted to be an author since I was a kid. That was the dream since I was probably 11 years old and read my first Stephen King book. And I was like, I want to be Stephen King when I grow up. I was an English major in college. I got half of an MFA before I dropped out. That was in my early mid-20s. And then a long time went by where I just wasn’t writing at all. I was trying to figure out a career in my life and going out screwing around. And writing was just way, way, way down the list of priorities. And then I was probably in my mid-30s, and I started to question myself. I was like, This is something that you always wanted to do. Are you going to do it or not? So that’s when I really sat down and started to take the writing more seriously. And at that time, writing a novel to me just seemed like, I’ll write a novel like I’ll climb Mount Everest. It’s impossible. I’d only written short stories to that point. But I had an idea, and I was like, Well, Let me just see what happens if I try to work on this idea.

[00:10:04.670] – Joshua Moehling
And so that’s what I did. I wrote and wrote, and I had 10 pages, then I had 20 pages, then I had 50, then I had 100. And eventually, I had a novel-length manuscript in my hands. And it was garbage. It was terrible. But writing that book taught me that I could write a book. It taught me that it was not an impossible journey or something that you needed years of training and specialized equipment to do. All you needed to do was sit and do the work. And page by page, it adds up to a book, right? And I took some classes at a local writing organization here in the Twin Cities and had a really great mentor and teacher for a while. But yeah, like you said, it’s a little bit bleak to put all this time and energy into something and then realize you got to set it aside and do something else. Which in this case means write another book. So that’s what I did. I wrote that first book, was not good. I put it away. I sat down and spent several years writing another book. I think I wrote these two books before I wrote In The Area, Kepter.

[00:11:14.890] – Joshua Moehling
But again, like I said, I got a few agents to read that second book, but it just didn’t work. Again, you have to set it aside and say, Okay, I’m going to start all over again, which is hard to do after you’ve invested all that time and energy into something. But for me, that’s what it took to get to where I am at this point. I’ve learned something from all of that writing. None of it was wasted, in my opinion. All of it trained me and taught me and helped me build my skills and helped me write the book that eventually got me an agent and a publishing deal.

[00:11:49.400] – Alan Petersen
I can’t remember who said this or where I read it, but somebody said, There’s no such things as wasted words. It’s all just practice. So I’m like, Oh, that’s pretty cool.

[00:11:59.480] – Joshua Moehling
So It’s not the most inspiring story. I hate telling it because it’s like you said, it’s bleak, but that’s the path that I took. That’s what it took me.

[00:12:10.610] – Alan Petersen
That’s good though, because I have a lot of inspiring writers that listen to this podcast. It’s a really good lesson. Don’t give up, just keep writing and it’s not all for waste, eventually, keep playing at it.

[00:12:23.250] – Joshua Moehling
Yeah, everybody wants to sell that first book and get a giant publishing contract. And it happens. It happens every day, I think, but that was not my journey.

[00:12:31.680] – Alan Petersen
Yeah. Can you tell us about a long time gone then? What’s the story about and what inspired the storyline for you? Yeah.

[00:12:41.970] – Joshua Moehling
I’m writing a series with this Ben Packard character, and I mentioned he came back to this small town that he knew from his childhood. His grandparents had a house in this small town on a lake, and he spent summers and holidays at this house. They had a lot of great memories. It was a place they went to a lot until one year and his brother left on a snowmobile in the middle of the night and never was seen again. Ben Packard was probably 10 or 11 years old when that happened. They found his brother’s snowmobile in the lake. It was assumed he fell through the ice, but they never found his body. So one of the ideas that I had for this series was like, Okay, Ben Packard is back in town. Now he works for the Sheriff’s Department. He could pull that case file, see what they found and didn’t find when it came to his brother’s disappearance all those years ago, and see if he can get more answers now that he’s in a position to look into this himself. So I’ve been teasing this across three books. Each book has its own crime that he has to solve, and each book can stand on its own if you read them out of order.

[00:13:50.060] – Joshua Moehling
But this arc about what happened to his brother and him starting to look for answers about that is an arc over those first three books. And then in this third book, he finally finds out what happened to his brother. So the book opens. Packard is working courthouse security, and there’s a shooting at the courthouse, and he has to use his weapon and take down this shooter that opened fire outside the courthouse. And so he’s on administrative leave while they investigate his actions. And he found out some information about his brother at the end of the second book. So now in this one, he’s following up on that information. And his questions about his brother lead him back to that family home that his grandparents used to live in. And while he’s visiting that house, he finds out that the woman who currently owns the house died recently in a fall down the stairs. Everybody thought it was an accident, but Packard knows this house inside and out, and he sees some things that just don’t add up to him. So he starts asking some questions about what happened to the woman who owned the house, and what happened to her, and what happened to his brother connected by this central house, this house that’s at the center of the story.

[00:15:06.840] – Joshua Moehling
And he gets all the answers by the end of the book.

[00:15:10.810] – Alan Petersen
Yeah. How is it hearing from readers, too? Because you said each book has its own central case to solve, and it’s a standalone, but you have the overarching storyline. How does that work? How do you balance that, giving the readers what they want, but then there’s that series Cliff a cliffhanger that people sometimes hate to love.

[00:15:33.340] – Joshua Moehling
Yeah. I know people were mad at me for that. This is that book ends on a bit of a cliffhanger. He gets some startling information about his brother’s case at the end of the second book, and I just leave people hanging. And then it was like a year and a half until the next book came out, which was not my fault. It was all publishing industry stuff going on.

[00:15:59.990] – Alan Petersen
But- A year and a half is not bad. It’s not like George R. R. Martin who’s like- Yeah, exactly.

[00:16:08.180] – Joshua Moehling
That guy has kept people waiting for… What’s it been? Fifteen years now? I don’t know. He’s now.

[00:16:16.360] – Alan Petersen
Yeah.

[00:16:18.190] – Joshua Moehling
So, yeah, it’s funny because that arc about the brother is something that I added when the book was on submission, I met with an editor at another publisher, and she said, I want Ben Packer to have a personal connection to this small town, which he did not have in the version of the book that she read. That was something I added at the end that, okay, he knows this town. He spent time in this town as a kid, why has he been gone all these years and what’s brought him back? And so then I added the question about the brother disappearing and what happened to the brother. I had no idea when I wrote that, what happened. I was like, Well, that’s a problem for tomorrow. I added that part to the book, and then I knew in the second book, when I was writing it, we’re not going to get to the brother in this book because there’s too much going on in this book. There’s its own crime in that book that he has to solve, and then there’s the question of him running for sheriff in an election. And that’s a big part of the story in that second book.

[00:17:27.250] – Joshua Moehling
I dropped this bombshell on as far as his brother goes, his brother’s story that goes at the end of the second book. And by that point, I had an idea of what had happened to the brother. And there’s some clues that I put in that information at the end of the second book that he follows up on on the third one. And I knew I couldn’t drag this on any longer, and I didn’t really want to drag it on any longer. It’s like three books. Three book arc is plenty. So I knew going into the third book, it was time to answer the question about happened to his brother. But I also didn’t feel like it was a big enough story to carry the weight of the whole entire book. So that’s why I added this, I think, as the primary crime, which is what happened to the old woman who fell down the stairs in his former family home.

[00:18:16.960] – Alan Petersen
I think it was pretty cool, too. I was reading in your research for this interview that you attended the Scott County Sheriff Citizens Academy to better understand police procedures. I didn’t even realize that you could do stuff like that. That’s a pretty Cool. Can you tell us about that?

[00:18:31.350] – Joshua Moehling
Yeah, I think a lot of counties have this. You can probably go to your local Sheriff’s Department website and see if they offer something like that. But yeah, Scott County is a smaller county, southwest of the Twin Cities. And somehow I came across the fact that they offered the Citizens Academy. And I don’t live in Scott County, but I emailed them and I was like, Hey, I’m really interested in attending this. Can you make an exception? And they said, Sure. So I took it once during COVID. It It was right before the first book came out, and it was all online, Monday nights. We were on Zoom, and deputies came on, and they told us about their jobs, and we looked at a lot of PowerPoints. It was all really good information. Then I just took it again a couple of years ago in person, and then I drove down there Monday nights for six or eight weeks, whatever it was. It’s a lot more hands-on. You learn really just all about how your local Sheriff’s works and what work the different deputies do, the different types of deputies. We met the canine handler and the dog.

[00:19:39.200] – Joshua Moehling
We got to fly the drone. We got to go to the jail and meet the jail workers, met with the sheriff and learned what he did, went to the gun range and the training range. And yeah, it’s absolutely fascinating. If anybody’s writing police procedals, I think it’s an invaluable resource if you can find it in your local community.

[00:20:02.360] – Alan Petersen
Yeah, that’s actually really cool. It’s also such, too. So your novels, you depict the small town, Minnesota living life. It’s a big part of your of your books. But then, that’s not from your bio, though, that you’re bringing is quite different, though. You were like an army brat. You grew up all over the place. Can you tell us about that? How you write about that? Coming from your different way you grew up?

[00:20:27.740] – Joshua Moehling
Yeah. So I think Being an army brat really gave me a sense for what packer feels like being the new guy in town, and an outsider in a place where everybody knows each other. Because every three years, we had to pick up and pack up and start over again somewhere else, wherever the army sent my mom at the time. We lived in Iowa, and Colorado, in Germany, in Oklahoma, and moved all over the place. But I went to a small town. My family is all from South Dakota, so I spent a lot of time in small towns in South Dakota. I went to college in a small town in South Dakota. I spent time in small towns around Minnesota and Wisconsin. And I’ve always been intrigued by what life is like in a small town. And the decision, what brings people to small towns, what keeps them in small towns, what makes them leave small towns. When I was a lot younger and Graduated with an English degree and had no job prospects, I was like, Am I going to have to move to this small town in South Dakota and be a beekeeper with my dad, who was a beekeeper for a long, long time until he retired?

[00:21:42.640] – Joshua Moehling
The idea terrified me. I was like, What am I going to do in a small town in South Dakota after this is my life? So yeah, I’ve always been really intrigued by small towns. I love spending time in small towns. I think you can have a really great life in a small town. But then I’m also So from the perspective of a gay person, what does that look like in a small town and what are the pros and cons of that? So yeah, I funnel all those questions and anxieties and curiosities into these books.

[00:22:17.190] – Alan Petersen
I think it’s cool to admit. So that’s got such good thriller writers. William Kent-Kroger, who is awesome, and that’s how he wrote a forward for your book. That must have been thrilling.

[00:22:28.640] – Joshua Moehling
Yeah, he wrote for my second book, which showed up in my email one day. My editor just sent me this email and said, Blurb from William Ken Kruger, and I had no idea they had even asked him. And I thought, Well, maybe by my eighth or ninth or 10th book, William Ken Kruger will have heard of me, and maybe he’ll blurb my books. And I got a blurb from him on the second one. And I was a lot of behind the scenes stuff, my publisher or my editor reaching out to his editor I had manuscripts off. It was an incredibly generous thing that he did, and that he does a lot for a lot of writers. I got that in my email, and I just kept walking into walls for a couple of days because I couldn’t believe that when I came, Ken Kruger had read my book.

[00:23:18.060] – Alan Petersen
Yeah, that’s crazy. It’s pretty cool. You mentioned briefly in the beginning here that you’re now doing this full-time. Can you tell us, how does that change affect your creative process and your productivity? Was it what you thought it was going to be like? Is it a little scary? How’s that going for you?

[00:23:38.300] – Joshua Moehling
All of the above. Yeah, so I just left my job in December, so it hasn’t been that long yet. In some ways, my routine hasn’t changed too much. I still get up early. But instead of getting on Zoom calls for my day job, I sit down at my computer and work on whatever it is I’m working on. I go to the gym in the middle of the day, and then I come home and work for a few more hours. The writing used to be what I did in the evenings. I would work all day, and then we would have dinner, and Then I would usually write from 8: 00 to 9: 30 or so. We called it hobby time in our house because we try to turn off the TV and then do something productive with ourselves. My husband is He plays guitar and he paints, and I write. Now I’m writing during the day, and I need to find a new hobby to work on in the evening because I’m spending too much time watching TV in the evening now when I used to be writing.

[00:24:45.040] – Alan Petersen
No longer a hobby now.

[00:24:46.850] – Joshua Moehling
No, it’s my job. Now I need a new hobby.

[00:24:50.980] – Alan Petersen
And so what’s your process like that for writing? Are you an outliner or are you a discovery writer?

[00:25:00.010] – Joshua Moehling
It’s a little bit of both. I think the first book in there, I kept her. I completely panced because I knew this small town because I had written a book before that, but everything else was all new to me. It probably took me five years to write that first book, and I couldn’t really see past the end of my nose on that. I read a chapter ahead, and it caused a lot of rewrites, and I would get to halfway in the book, and I’d be like, Oh, you know what? This is missing. It needs X. And then I’d go back and have to pull that thread all the way through what I’d already written. So, yeah, I totally panced that first book. For the second book, Where the Dead Sleep, I wanted to write Who it. The first book, there’s no mystery in the first book. You know who the bad guy is. You know where those missing kids are from the very first chapter. There’s other things that propelled that book. But in the second one, I was like, I wonder if I can write a whodunit and keep people guessing about who the killer is until the end.

[00:26:03.060] – Joshua Moehling
And so that one, I spent a lot of time thinking about the crime, thinking about the people, knowing upfront who the killer was. I had probably a little bit of an outline before I started writing. I usually know the main beats now of the story and write towards those beats. And then the third one was probably, again, probably a little bit of the same. I knew what happened to nick. I had idea for what happened to this old woman who fell down the stairs. And yeah, not so much of an outline as beats in the story and just writing in that direction and filling in all the chapters between those major points in the story.

[00:26:48.410] – Alan Petersen
And what do you use to write your books? I always ask this to my home, I guess, because I’m Snoopy. Do you use a word or do you use another software like Scribner or something else?

[00:26:56.510] – Joshua Moehling
I use Scribner. I probably know 5 % of Scribner can do.

[00:27:01.700] – Alan Petersen
Yeah, that’s all it takes, right?

[00:27:03.400] – Joshua Moehling
That’s all it takes. I think that software can do so much, and you can spend half your writing time putting labels and colors and things and note cards. I don’t know how to do any of that. I just keep making a new document, a new document, new document.

[00:27:19.840] – Alan Petersen
I’m the same way. That’s like people say, Oh, it’s overwhelming. I’m like, Well, so is Excel, and I use that, but I know people can do amazing programming type things with Excel that I don’t know how to do that, but I still use Excel. Do you use Scribner? Yeah, I use Scrumner, too. And then also curious here because I saw that your publisher has sent you up enough to do more of these books? Can you tell us a little bit about that? Are you exclusively working now on this Ben Packard series? Do you have other characters that you’re thinking about?

[00:27:54.730] – Joshua Moehling
Yeah. So I originally had my first contract with Poison Pen Press was two books, and then they pretty quickly signed me up for two more books. And so all of those are Ben Packard books. I just finished writing the fourth book and turned it into my editor. And then right before I finished the fourth book, they said, We want more books. And so I put my agent to work, and we got a good deal. So yeah, I’ve got a new contract with them three more books, and one of those books will be a standalone. So two more Bam Packard books after the fourth one for sure. And then I’ve got a couple ideas for standalones that I’m excited to start developing that have absolutely nothing to do with Bam Packard.

[00:28:46.000] – Alan Petersen
And so when does the next Bam Packard come out? That comes out next year?

[00:28:50.480] – Joshua Moehling
Good question. I don’t know. That’s true. I’m guessing it’ll be… It’ll probably be spring, summer, 2026. Yeah. Okay.

[00:29:00.410] – Alan Petersen
All right. Well, Joshua, before I let you go, I always ask my guests. As I’ve mentioned before, we have aspiring writers to listen to this podcast. Any writing advice that you have for someone who wants to write readers, mystery books, police procedials?

[00:29:13.630] – Joshua Moehling
We talked about the Citizens Academy. Read a lot. I learned so much about police procedials from reading other authors like Michael Connolly and John Sanford and William Ken Kruger. And then I think just general writing advice, I think the best thing that you can do for yourself is find a writing community because a lot of this work just takes place by yourself at home or the coffee shop or whatever. But I think feedback from other writers and cheering on from other writers is absolutely invaluable for helping you build a practice and build your skills and The opportunity to read their work and react to it, I think, can teach you just as much about your own work. So whatever you can do, whether it’s online or in-person, find other writers and encourage each other and cheer each other on, I think it’s absolutely crucial.

[00:30:19.000] – Alan Petersen
Yeah, that’s a great advice. I asked this to everybody. This is the first one to mention that. That is such a great advice because that’s true. Even if you go to meetup. Com or whatever or Facebook and find people because this is a lonely existence if you don’t have people to cheer you on and go up together. I love that one.

[00:30:42.280] – Joshua Moehling
Yeah. My friend Gretchen and I met in a class at The Loft in 2015, and she’s published four books now with a major publisher. She got an agent before I did. She got a book deal before I did. It was just so great to see her success. And it made me feel like, God, I’m so close. Gretchen can do this. We took the same class. We were both from Minnesota. The opportunity felt so close that I could almost grab it, and it really kept me writing the book that I was working on, which eventually became a Nereakepter. And Gretchen and I still me on Saturdays and solve the world’s problems and then spend an hour, hour and a half writing together. And it’s absolutely invaluable to me.

[00:31:35.600] – Alan Petersen
All right. Yeah, that’s great. That’s awesome to hear. All right, Joshua, I want to thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Really had a fun time talking with you about writing.

[00:31:45.350] – Joshua Moehling
Thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed it.

[00:31:47.900] – Alan Petersen
All right. That was my conversation with Joshua Moehling, author of the Ben Packard Thriller series. Be sure to check out Joshua’s latest novel, A Long Time Gone, now available wherever books are sold. Don’t forget, The Adibook Edition of my Psychological Thriller, The Basement, narrated by Vanessa Johansson and George Newbern, is officially out today. You can order your copy at thrillingreads.com/513, or go search for it over at Audible and at Amazon’s website, and you’ll find it. Thanks again for listening to Meet the Thriller author. If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review the podcast. It helps other Thriller fans find the show. So until next time, stay safe and keep turning those pages..